COVID-19 has brought about a huge shift in society, especially in terms of people’s daily routines. In this episode, Tanya Memme welcomes Rob Mack back to talk about how life has changed for him since COVID forced everyone into their homes. Rob is a psychology coach, speaker, and author who lives a life of strict routine. He shares tips on how to survive physically and mentally throughout this quarantine ordeal to come out stronger at the end. If you are someone who is at the end of your wits because of quarantine, this episode is for you. You can also read Rob’s book, Happiness from the Inside Out.
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Rob Mack’s Guide To Surviving Life In Quarantine
We are all in quarantine and I have had Rob Mack on the show before. I met you through EverTalk TV. We’ve hosted together and you’re one of my most favorite people. You have clients, you’re a psychology coach, speaker and author. You are amazing at what you do. I want to thank you for coming back on the show.
I have the utmost love, respect and appreciation for you. I admire you. I feel grateful to be in conversation with you either on or off-air.
I wanted you to come on the show again because so much has changed since the first time you were on the show. We’ve been faced with so much adversity and change. There are a lot of people that are struggling. I wanted to loop back with some of my Life Masters to talk about this time and give some insights on how you’re getting through it and have some tools and information on how you can help others. How has this affected your life?
Mostly, it’s the gym with social distancing but voluntarily because it’s much work generally. I love my clients. I love my work and I tend to be somewhat of an introvert by nature. I have a structured routine, but I’d say it’s that and not being able to do the morning show stuff that I was doing a lot. I was doing this thing at EverTalk.
Also, a lot of your routine because you’ve told me before you love routine. That has all been completely uplifted and pulled from underneath you. How do you deal with that?
I recreated it. I like routine especially when it comes to my work life. In my social life, I like to be a little footloose and fancy-free about that. My routine is mostly the same. I used to get up at 3:30. I don’t get up at 3:30 anymore. I sleep in a little later. I do my home workout and my meditation. I see my clients. I work on my books. Most of that stays the same. Interestingly enough, I think a lot of other people have been more greatly affected schedule-wise and structure-wise by the quarantine and social distancing and everything. For those people, I would encourage them maybe to create a little bit of a routine, a little bit of structure to their day because it helps you feel like you’re not living a movie that you’re like living a real-life, but you don’t want much structure like Groundhog Day either.
I was going for a walk on the Santa Monica bike path and who do I see jogging by? You were going at a fast speed.
That and this has been a highlight for me of the entire quarantine.
We came so close to giving each other a hug and we were supposed to be practicing social distancing. How do you feel about that? Is it normal? It’s not normal. It’s weird in a different way.
That is the greatest concern for me. Everybody is doing what they can in terms of taking care of their physical health and it’s hard especially when you’re in quarantine. You don’t have a gym. You don’t have access to friends and stuff. You don’t find yourself maybe getting out as much as you normally would but more than that, especially for me, it’s the psychological, emotional, and spiritual health stuff that I think I’m most concerned about for other people.
I spent most of my life focusing on this one thing. I’ve gotten a little bit better at this one thing being psychological, emotional, spiritual health than some other folks have been or than I would have been a few years ago. I can’t do 99,000 other things well. I’m mostly concerned about that. I think lots of our love languages for some of us is physical touch and affection. I know you’re a big hugger. I’m a big hugger, so it feels weird.
It does feel weird. It’s upsetting and it’s like, “How far are we going to take this and for how long?” How do you think this is going to affect when we’re coming out of this? My friend has a child now who lives in constant paranoia because of all of this.
My practice has changed a bit. Some people have been concerned about money and they’re holding onto their money which makes sense. Other folks dowed up on coaching services, therapy sessions or whatnot. A lot younger kids are in my practice now like teenagers that are in between the ages and also couples because people are locked into the same house and apartment.
I always say the Coronavirus takes the sexy out of a relationship.
You get to see all the nitty-gritty details of each other in a situation like this. It is interesting. I think couples but also anybody who was already struggling with anxiety, stress or maybe depression are probably facing additional adversity now. It’s a challenge for them. I think we’re all trying to do our best to reach out to friends, family members, and colleagues to check-in. I’ve noticed people struggling and I do wonder what things will be like coming out of the quarantine.
Let’s talk about relationships for a little bit. What are people mostly struggling with in relationships?
I’d say there’s the symptomatic stuff. It’s like we’re arguing about the dishes or about responsibilities and trying to divvy up the responsibilities and things like childcare. It’s those kinds of things, but also finances. If anybody’s been laid off, they have reduced hours. Underneath that is the fear, stress, and anxiety. I think most people haven’t cultivated coping skills that worked well in general, but especially times like this where there’s great adversity and the challenges and the stakes are higher.
Like self-soothing skills, emotional regulation skills and cognitive agility. People generally aren’t always great with that. If you’ve not been taught how to do that, how to self soothe and you’ve not practiced doing it, it’s like all of a sudden being thrown into the most challenging, frustrating experience ever trying to learn on the fly. At the root of all this is that it’s fear, stress, and anxiety. It’s showing up in the financial issues and the actual health issues and concerns around that are also adding to all of that.
At the source of it is folks that haven’t developed the coping skills that they could have or want to develop. It’s showing up in every childcare, finances, divvying up like workload and home, domestic responsibilities and duties and social distancing etiquette. What’s acceptable and what’s not acceptable. It’s a lot to manage and discuss and figure out when you’re already stressed out and anxious, the kids are screaming in the background, you don’t have money coming in and you think you might have a cough. It’s a lot to deal with.
You don’t know if it’s allergies or if it’s an actual cough.
We get paranoid about every little tickle in your throat.Why fear something you don't know? To spend your entire life fearing something inevitable is craziness. Click To Tweet
It’s interesting because I feel that most of us are dealing with financial stress. I think underlying that, especially for women, I find women want to know that they’re safe in a relationship and financial is one of those feelings of being safe. Men need a lot of appreciation. They also need to feel like they’re the earners in the relationship too and they’re the king. This is interesting because everything is all upside down. When I’m in the middle where I’m getting a little bit annoyed or my patience is going, I found that I have to go within and say, “Is it me or is it that person?”
You express that eloquently and beautifully as you always do. That is the challenge, the opportunity, and the invitation at hand is to not project what you’re feeling or what you’re thinking no matter what you’re feeling on the other person. If you do that, you become powerless to do anything about it. If it’s their fault, then they’re in control of the way you think and feel. You then become a slave and a servant to what they’re thinking and what they’re feeling on that day or what they’re doing or not doing on that day. That is the ultimate trap.
The one thing that this series of events is allowing us to do is to take time to step back and to dive deep into sorting and sifting through some of this so that we can then begin to experience a more unconditional, lasting, abiding, meaningful peace, happiness, love and self-love. Most folks I think are having trouble doing that because they don’t know exactly what that always needs but you’re right in rendering yourself helpless and powerless to change it. I feel like you do that well. You’ve done the work over the course of your life. You’ve done a good job of diving within.
In the past years, I’ve challenged myself. I think my biggest thing that I’ve dealt with within the last few years, which is probably what people are dealing with now is that I was out of work for the last few years. I was used to having a huge career, making lots of money with the house and Santa Monica and having this life. Being invited to every Hollywood party there is to walking off-set, quitting my show because I needed to live in my own integrity. There’s a lot of abuse on the show that I was working on and I needed to set an example for others and for my daughter.
It was a decision I had to live with because thinking that, “I’m going to make this decision and everything is going to be okay.” That was the beginning of a massive problem at home. I had been out of work for a good 4.5 years after that and lost almost all the money. It’s expensive living in LA. You blow through money like crazy. I also learned to don’t start a new business when you don’t have a solid ground to start a new business.
It takes financial capital, but also psychological and emotional capital to start a new business.
I had the financial capital at the time. That’s an interesting thing but it was completely wasted because I wasn’t in the right place inside. I picked all the wrong business partners. I picked all the wrong situations. I went on this journey and I feel like people are going on that journey now where they’re having to deal with job loss and that directly affects your ego, who you are, and your self-identity. I had a massive identity crisis but I’m through it now. For me, this is a cakewalk. As long as no one passes, I don’t get it, my family doesn’t get it, none of the people that I know. I’m sad for the world. That’s a part of it, but my rock is stronger now that I can survive something like this.
It’s interesting the way that life and the universe knock away all the props that we use or lean on that prevent us from becoming as strong, as resilient, as brilliant or successful as we could otherwise be or happy. Lots of the things that we think make us who we are, that make us happy or that make us successful, the rugs have been pulled out from underneath us. Now we’re being forced to lean back on ourselves, our inner resources and our inner psychological, emotional, and even spiritual capital to build a new life. If you’ve seen it any other way, if you’re still looking for security and certainty and predictability in other people or in the world or other places, you’re looking in the wrong places. It’s never there.
We all go through it. I know you’ve hit rock bottom at some point in your life too. You went through a lot way more than I ever did. What are some of the things that you did to get out of it? What are some tools that you can share?
You have to cut off or stop consuming all this stuff that’s contributing to the fear, anxiety, and worry. You don’t have to cut off the people necessarily, you just need to cut off those kinds of conversations. Those people can only have those kinds of conversations that you felt the people, but cutting off, stopping the bleeding, and stopping the ways in which you’re contributing to and feeding and fueling the stress, anxiety, the worry, the upset and the frustration. That’s step one. Step number two is to stop looking for happiness, security, peace and love in places where it doesn’t exist like the world, other people, and other things. For me, that mostly in the beginning, consuming as much positive confidence-building, faith-inspiring content as I could possibly find.
Read and watch it. Don’t get consumed with all the negativity out there. I’m trying hard to not show my daughter. We don’t watch the news. I’ll watch it on my phone a little bit in the morning to be updated on what I need to know, but I am not consuming her life with this. We are fun. We wake up in the morning singing. I’m trying for her to look back on this and remember it as not a bad time. I’m keeping her away from it because some of my friends are having massive anxiety issues with their little kids.
It’s a lot to deal with. Kids are sensitive in a positive way and strengths-based to what everybody else is feeling. They’re like little empaths, little sponges. When you’re stressed out as a parent or you’re stressed out as a brother or sister, you’re stressed out as the uncle or aunt, they feel that. Emotion is the most contagious element on the planet. It’s more contagious than Coronavirus. The one thing that we want to do as adults is we’ve got to be compassionate with ourselves about that, but it’s modeling the unconditional peace, happiness, and love that we want them to learn. We want to be a living shining example to them of how to emotionally regulate and how to self soothe.
Sometimes that means admitting, “I’m frustrated. I’m upset and I’m stressed and worried.” Let them see that you admit that and then work your way back up the emotional scale, “How does mommy do it? Mommy goes for a walk or mommy spends five minutes of me time.” You find ways to model this emotional regulation and self-soothing skills for your kids. You don’t have to talk to them about it. You have to tell them how to do it, show them. That’s one of the best things we can do as adults, as parents and people in the world who want to be helpful from a psychological, emotional and spiritual perspective.
It’s not about pulling the wool over their eyes and not giving them the coping skills that they need. She’s not even nine yet but it’s seeing what they’re capable of understanding and not over overwhelming them with what they shouldn’t be dealing with. It’s a balance because you want them to have the coping skills and for you to model that.
That means us practicing mostly for ourselves and on ourselves and then let that be a shining example to them. It also means doing our best to stick to the facts and stay out of opinions which is hard. If you go to the news and you read the news, a lot of this is opinion-based. That’s what causes us fear and anxiety. The facts for the most part are they are what they are. The second that you add judgment to the facts and when you add in the story around the facts and the second you begin to add fear and anxiety and all these other things.
If you need the facts, get the facts. “It’s rainy.” Is that a bad day? Is it bad weather? No, it’s raining. Every storm passes. Kids are great about that if you can help them stay in touch with the facts and the truth as opposed to opinions and stories, particularly the bad stories. Even going through news items and showing them, “This article says things are bad. This one says it’s good.” You can see the ways in which going to the news to look for evidence of how you should feel. It’s all over the place.
I’ve met people where they think the world is ending and it’s their frame of mind. It’s hard for me to be around that because I’m trying. We’re all working hard to stay positive and healthy-minded through something that we have little information about where our future is going. How do you feel talking about the relationship?
This is a major pandemic. Folks are getting sick and a lot are dying. With that being said, there’s a new problem that we call Coronavirus. We’ve had different strains of Coronavirus in the past and maybe they have not been as lethal as this or they haven’t been as contagious as this. The real issue for all of us is death. The one thing that is going to happen to matter what happens is that we’re all eventually going to drop this physical body and this costume that we call a body and who knows from there what happens in depending on your spiritual or religious belief.
Nobody knows. I don’t care what anyone says.
Why fear something you don’t know? It could as likely be way better, more interesting, more exciting than anything we’ve got going on in this world or anything we’ve got going on in this “life.” To spend your entire life fearing something that’s inevitable and therefore wasting the time and opportunity you have to enjoy this moment and experience this day is craziness. The definition of insanity is spending your entire life trying to cross bridges before you get to them.
You also mean to keep the balance within of not doing something so that you are totally exposed to something that can be lethal. Take care of yourself, but it’s a mindset. “I’m washing my hands, sanitize, and spray down my grocery bags,” or whatever it is you feel like you need to do to what extreme. You wear a mask now before we go into a public space. It’s your mindset in dealing with this type of environment.Sometimes, we mistake talking for communication. Click To Tweet
Take all the practical, reasonable, logical and lawful next steps that you have to take around this entire thing to protect yourself, your loved ones and everybody else. It’s easy to know that the stove is hot. It’s easy to know that when you think a certain thought, it hurts to think that thought. Why keep thinking that thought that hurts? It’s like putting your hand on the stove over and over again. You knew it was hot the first time you touched it, why go back and touch that hot stove or think of that stressful or upsetting thought? It doesn’t help. Most of us think that somehow by worrying, we’re going to improve our lives but science has shown that you don’t improve your lives well through worry. You find it through peace and relaxation.
I also find in a situation like this too because I know that you’re working with a lot of clients in relationships and things. The idea too of supporting each other. Accept that you’re both going through your own uncertainty. It’s a hard time for every single person in the house that you’re living with. We’re all going through it. There’s depression, uncertainty, or financial loss. This is something that none of us have ever been through before. Don’t you think that supporting each other is important?
Fighting won’t help.
If you put yourself in the other person’s shoes, maybe there’s a little more empathy that can come along with that.
I think that’s a profound and poignant remark to make. What happens with most of us is we get consumed with our own thoughts and fears. It’s like being physically sick. You get physically sick that you start to vomit and whoever’s close by and you don’t always do it intentionally. You don’t always do it knowingly. Sometimes you feel like you can’t control it. The key is to do your best to support the people in your life or the people that you’re living with and the people you’re spending time with.
Have those moments of communication.
I think a lot of it is about heart-centered communication. Oftentimes we communicate, but it’s not communication, it’s trying to prove that I’m right and prove that you’re wrong or it’s me trying to get my way when heart-centered communication is how can we connect over this? How can we let this experience or frustration to deepen our relationship in a way that we can find or seek common ground, maybe find a solution? Maybe the solution is not to find a solution, but to connect and meet heart to heart. Sometimes I think people mistake talking for communication.
Whenever people fight and they do love their spouse, husband, wife or whatever, but they end up arguing a lot. A lot of it is basic when you get down to it. The person that is confronting all the time is usually afraid. There’s a lot of fear attached to that. Now is a great time to have those heart to heart conversations. Ask the other person, what are you afraid of? Where is this coming from? Get down to those, “We are tied up in these houses together. You can go far because you can’t.” Why not use this time to learn about each other more in any possible way that you can?
It’s certainly what you say and it’s also how you say it. That’s a huge piece of it is because you can have the best intentions, but if your delivery isn’t smooth, centered and loving, they will hear nothing but how you feel. They won’t hear your words at all. There’s an art.
What’s your advice on people that can’t help but come across attacking? It’s hard when you’re angry and there’s a lot of stuff swept under the rug you haven’t dealt with. You are just angry with each other. How do you work with couples that try to communicate especially in circumstances like this?
You have to let the water cool off versus getting into a hot bathtub. You don’t just dive in. You let it cool off a little bit. It means mostly trying to find that place inside yourself where you feel a little bit more peace or a little less negativity before you have a big conversation and make a decision. That’s one of the best pieces of advice ever is never have an important conversation or make a big important decision when you’re feeling upset.
It’s going to color the entire experience, not for you, but for the other person. That’s number one. Try not to have that conversation when you’re angry. Everybody wants to have it when they’re angry but that’s never the time to have the conversation because no matter what you say, no matter how well-intentioned you are, it’s not going to be received that way. You’re going to say I love you but I hate you.
I’ve burned bridges like that. There are a couple of friendships that I feel badly about it. I regret not having those people in my life and new budding friendships too. When misunderstandings happen and you are emotionally not in the right place, you handle it all wrong.
At least one person has to be aware enough of this to step back because it takes two people to fight. It only takes one to dance, but it takes two to fight. If you dial out on the fight, you can say, “I don’t want to say anything that is going to be more upsetting. I don’t want to make this worse. I’m going to breathe here for a second. I would love it if you sit here next to me and work through it over time.” That’s the first piece. The second piece is when you do begin to speak, you want to try, first of all, and this is hard to do is you want to seek to understand instead of seeking to be understood.
When you’re seeking to be understood, you’re trying to be right. You’re trying to get your point across. You’re trying to have them get something, but you need to take a step back and from a more peaceful present place to say, “If I heard you correctly, honey, is what I heard you say. Did I hear that right? Correct me if I’m wrong.” If they’ll say no and then you correct it. The best thing you can do from there is to validate that what they’re saying and feeling. You don’t have to say what they’re saying is accurate. You simply say, “If I were in your shoes, I’m sure I know I’d be thinking and feeling like you.” You let it sit there for a second.
It’s interesting because even if they aren’t giving you that in return and then they’re attacking you. When you let it sit, you don’t talk back and you walk away because it doesn’t mean the conversation has to end there. That always comes back around and goes, “I hear what you’re saying.”
What you defend against you deepen. When you explain, you deepen. If they’ve got an argument and they’re pushing it on you and you overly defend and overly explain, you’re always going to feed the argument they have. They’re going to go deeper and they’re going harder around that conversation. Their only point at that point is to be right. They’re coming from an ego place, not from a place of love and as long as your deal with the ego, the ego survives off of fighting. It survives off anxiety and survives off of fear. If you’re feeding that ego with any of those negative emotions, you’re always going to find the fight escalating. You’re going to find the problems escalating. You can’t attack it from that point of view. You’ve got to attack it from a much different angle. You’re not only a great communicator, but you’re also heart-centered. I always feel that you have a way of connecting with people that goes beyond a conversation. It feels deeper.
I feel the same about you. I’m also willing to admit when I’m wrong. I’ll be always the first to say I screwed up and it might not happen that day, but it’ll come around and I’ll usually always admit it. It’s frustrating for me when I’ve damaged a relationship, a friendship or a working relationship with somebody and I can’t fix it because they’re not willing to allow me to even try at this point. That I’ve realized doesn’t fall on me. It falls on them. There’s a lot of misunderstandings that go on when one person isn’t willing to mend a relationship when somebody comes back.
That generally is an indication of, to a large extent, if someone who’s having trouble forgiving and that means that’s a living hell situation. To be in a state where you’re still judging and you’re still carrying something from the past, it is hurtful so much so that you can’t connect with the other person from a place of love or connect at all and be cordial and friendly. That is an unhappy experience for that person. It doesn’t have to be your problem. It doesn’t have to be my problem.
It doesn’t even have to do with you. We’re not in a good place in their life. It’s easier for me not to have admitted where I went wrong in the situation because every single time a relationship has been ruined or whatever when I was in the right frame of mind and I came out, that person also was never willing to admit. It’s always a two-way street. You have to be willing to admit where you went wrong and you both have to be willing to admit where you went wrong.
Knowing that we can’t control what other people think or feel or whether they forgive or not or whether they are willing to meet us halfway. The one that I think I love even more in trying to get them to do something different is knowing that at the end of the day, I’m responsible for the happiness and the love that I feel. I can love that person as deeply, as fully from a distance, maybe even more fully, more deeply than up close and personal. If they’re not experiencing the love themselves within their own heart doesn’t mean that I can’t experience love inside my own heart when I think about them. Sometimes that means not thinking about them, but I don’t need to let how they feel about me or their unwillingness to forgive compromise my ability to experience love in my own heart in any way.It only takes one to dance, but it takes two to fight. Click To Tweet
A lot of times, it doesn’t even have to do with you.
Can you shed some light on people too? It’s hard when we have these people that are like, “Stay at home. Don’t spread the virus.” Most of the people that are out there in public saying it live in a giant house with a giant pool and a giant backyard and their kids are happy and everyone’s happy because they have privacy. It’s difficult for people that live in a confined space and they haven’t seen the sun in weeks. I live in a small apartment because of the years that I went through in the past a little while and I stayed with my place. The mentality behind that is hard. What would you say to people that live in these confined spaces and to help out with this situation where they can’t go outside, they can’t run and they can’t do things that they normally could?
I know that living with people whether it’s during times like this where we’re all bumping down together or you have a roommate situation. I know that in my life, it’s always been great to still have an area of the house, of the apartment, carved out for me to work. I think love and friendship are about protecting the solitude of the other to a large extent. It’s not about always interweaving and meshing yourself completely into this other person all the time. It’s exhausting and that could be detrimental to the relationship.
I think carving out your own space and place and that’s part of the beauty of having a structure in your schedule and you begin to inform the other through that schedule and structure of your expectations. It’s easier to maintain boundaries that way. I never liked to talk about boundaries but in a situation like this, they are important. You need to make sure that you’re communicating expectations clearly and lovingly. Especially if you’re trying to persuade somebody or influence somebody to do something differently, you’ve got to come from a place where you’re appealing to their self-interest as much as your own, if not more. Otherwise, they’re going to hear you saying that you want X, but they want Y. Why would they give you X? They’re going to say, “I’m going to do what I want to do.” If you can find a way to position yourself and genuinely appeal to their self-interest, you’ll be surprised.
It also helps to have your private space as well. You’re upset that you live alone. It’s difficult to be in small quarters.
Part of that if it’s the physical space. Who wants to be in solitary confinement? The other part of it is that it’s people’s own thoughts that are the major problem. You think being in an apartment is tough but being in your own head is way more unhappy and may more frustrating than being in that apartment. That’s the real cause of the frustration that you feel. You need to get out and get your sunshine and vitamin D. It’s the thoughts in your head that are causing most of the pain and suffering.
Before we go, I wanted to give some people some ideas. I think now is a great time to expand your network. I’m a part of this women’s group called the International Association of Women. I joined that group. I’ve reached out. I’ve made many more friends. I’ve done Zoom calls with people with wine and sometimes caviar. I’ve reached out to people that I haven’t spoken to in years. Some of them are cousins. What are some things that you’ve done?
I haven’t done that. The opportunity for this is online learning is you can practically learn anything. I spent much of my life-consuming material that I’m feeling an obligation and almost like I’d be derelict in my duty if I didn’t begin to spit some out. I’ve been in the creative phase. I love consuming information whether it’s courses and reaching out and building your network or maybe tweaking your resume. You can do all that professional doc updating stuff. The other thing is that you can create stuff too. I think now’s a great time to create stuff. I know I have friends that are creating masks. They’re creating a fashionable mask and there are other folks that are probably getting back into painting and stuff. Try to find something that you genuinely enjoy. Try not to do something just because. We all need to make money.
That’s not the question and you might have that side thing too, but try to find something that you can get lost in and absorbed in and tune with simply for the joy alone because I promise you’re going to be able to persist with that activity long after this quarantine ends. You’ll be able to make a lot more money with it and it’s going to make the quarantine and whatever else in your life that might feel unhappy go by much more quickly. Find ways to enjoy yourself. I encourage you to do that. Believe it or not, lots of those things you’ll find you can make money at too.
I’m considering taking one on hypnotherapy. I love hypnotherapy. I want to get licensed in it. I don’t have anything else to do. I did a Joe Dispenza course. It was $250 which is not horrible compared to some of those courses that are thousands of dollars. I can’t afford that yet.
Have you signed up for the masterclass thing where it’s got Shonda Rhimes and Steph Curry and all these people?
No, but I was looking into it. I love that. There are many amazing things out there. I took a cooking course and I hate cooking but now I love it. I’ve been cooking all vegan. You’re always such a wealth of information. Where can we find out more about you that we can hire you as a coach?
Where can we buy your books?
Thank you. I appreciate you.
Talk to you soon, Rob.
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About Robert Mack
Robert is an ivy-league-educated Positive Psychology Expert, Celebrity Happiness Coach, Executive Coach, and Author.
Robert studied under the direction of Martin Seligman, the founder of Positive Psychology, at the University of Pennsylvania (UPenn). UPenn is the top institution in the world to offer a Masters degree program in Applied Positive Psychology.
Robert is one of the world’s leading experts on the relationship between happiness and success. He helps individuals and organizations achieve an energizing balance of authentic personal happiness and effortless professional success, based on time-tested, face-valid, empirical data and timeless, transcendental wisdom.
Robert’s work has been endorsed by Oprah, Vanessa Williams, and many others, and he has been a regularly featured guest expert on Good Morning America, The Today Show, Access Hollywood, E! Networks, OWN, and KTLA, and in magazines like GQ, Self, Health, Cosmopolitan, and Glamour.
Robert’s first book, Happiness from the Inside Out: The Art and Science of Fulfillment, is celebrity-endorsed and critically-acclaimed. It has been translated into various other languages, including Chinese.