Imagine attending a corporate seminar and expecting the same round of speakers and boring talks but instead faced with drums and a whole lot of noise-making. This is Natalie Spiro’s approach to solving communication issues within teams – industries and businesses coming together through rhythm and music, especially drumming, to help co-workers, workers, and executives form a bond to help them get past things that they’re struggling with. In this episode, Natalie joins Tanya Memme to share her journey of ups and rock bottoms – from her jewelry business to having a TED Talk about her unconventional methods. She also discusses the concept of shadow work – having both light and dark parts within oneself.

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Rhythmic Drumming: Drumming Your Way To Success With Natalie Spiro

We have Natalie Spiro with me. Natalie, I first came across you because of what you do when you go into businesses. A friend of mine introduced me to Natalie and what you do is inspirational. You go into businesses and through rhythm and music, especially drumming, you help co-workers, workers, and executives come together and form this bond to help them get past things that they’re struggling with. Even communication issues or whatever to feel like they’re a team and they’re in this together. I love how you do that. Explain a little more of what that’s like for you.

It’s an amazing experience because whether it’s a conference, a training, a summit or whatever, people come with preconceived ideas around what they’re going to experience. They’re going to walk in and they’re going to have a CEO stand up and give a PowerPoint presentation. As they walk in and those doors fling open, they see this group of musicians on stage with West African, Latin grooves and they see a drum on every chair. We’ve got a djembe drum and people are like, “What’s about to happen here?”

We’re all dealing with what’s going on in quarantine and that is why I wanted to do and continue with this show because it’s all about real life, the ups and downs of life. We’re all going through it.

They see a West African drum on every chair.

Everyone that attends the conference has percussion of some sort on their chair. They walk in and everyone is like, “Wow.” That’s intense.

We bring them all into it. It’s this amazing experience of busting silos and getting people to feel that they are on one level, whether you’re the CEO or janitor of the company. Whether you’re in EMEA, APAC, or wherever you are, it doesn’t matter that you’re connected to a common pulse, vision, or vibration.

I’ve seen it on YouTube and on your website. You also have these inspirational speakers and sometimes yourself too that speak along with the drumming and this rhythm that’s created. It’s totally organic. It’s a soul-centering, life-changing experience when you get to experience it.

I’ve had people tell me different things from many different organizations that have healed them in terms of some people who’ve had breast cancer. They started drumming and super healing to people who were non-participants in a team and now they felt super energized to contribute to their team. There’s been millions of that kind of feedback.

I know you’ve also done a TED Talk speech. How incredible is that? You talk a lot about who you are because of the people that you surround yourself with.

There’s a South African term called Ubuntu coined by Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu. It’s exactly what you said, Tanya. I am what I am because of those around me. I am because of who you are.

It’s such an important message. Let’s go way back in your life. How did the TED Talk come about? How did you learn that lesson? How did healing people through rhythm and music all begin?

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Rhythmic Drumming: Whether it’s a conference, a training, a summit, or whatever, people come with preconceived ideas around what they’re going to experience.


It’s a weird story. I’m an industrial psychologist by profession with an MBA and in South Africa, I had a jewelry design business. At the time, I won a contract with Nordstrom. I was emigrating with my husband, who’s now my ex-husband. We decided to leave South Africa in 2000. Also, there was a lot going on in South Africa on the transition level. We emigrated to America and the emigration was tough enough as it is, leaving a country and everything that you own, love, and part of your DNA to come to America. I was excited because I’ve always wanted to do this as a little girl.

I wanted two things. One is to come to America. The only reason I knew that is because of the movies I’d seen. It came late in our lives. We only got television in 1975. I always want to do an MBA. I thought, “I got that now. Now I want to go to America.” I dragged my ex-husband kicking and screaming and we arrived in America. I have to say I hit rock bottom of emigration. We came financially secure from what we had created in South Africa and we managed to bring it to America.

Did you have some deal in jewelry yet, or you got your MBA?

I got my MBA and I’ve worked out of my MBA in a corporation. I went to an investment bank. I went to a company as a consultant, Coopers & Lybrand, which is now PricewaterhouseCoopers. I’m an entrepreneur at heart and I want to run my own business. I started a bunch of different businesses and I landed doing an MBA. Out of the MBA, I went and started this jewelry business with a friend of mine, one of my close friends who also was in the MBA program with me.

Were you in the US at this point?

We’re in South Africa. We started the business in South Africa and then I did a show in America. At that show, I met a buyer at Nordstrom. They offered me a contract to come and have my line in the jewelry divisions in several of the California outlets.

It’s a dream come true for people in jewelry design.

It was amazing. I was blown away. On top of it, it was a vision of mine to come to America. This little pebble was being thrown at my feet. We came to America and I started the jewelry business. Unfortunately, after probably about a year, it was way too much competition here. Everything was bigger, better, and cheaper. I had to import from South Africa, which was tough enough to start off with, so I had to close my business down, but I was also on a work visa at the time.

I know what that’s like. I’m from Canada.

You get that. A lot of Americans don’t so it is a tough process.

It took me 25 years to get dual citizenship.

It’s crazy. It took me nineteen.

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It’s harder than Americans think it is. I’m from Canada so I get it. I understand you’re on your work visa.

All of a sudden, I lose my visa. It’s a work visa that connects to my company. My company closes and I lose my visa.

Were you on a three-year visa?

I was on a three-year H-1B visa. At the same time, there were a lot of issues emigrating so my husband and I were going through a rough time. A business that he’d invested in here, people who had promised to invest in this business didn’t show up. I’m going to be vulnerable and share some information. My father got us involved in a Ponzi scheme. I had no idea what it was back then. It was an investment program is what we were told by him. He got a lot of people involved, including my ex-husband and I ripped the carpet from right under our feet.

I was sitting in America, in a completely new country, new culture, no contacts, no visa, and getting divorced. We’re going through a divorce having no money and leaving my house with my suitcase and having to borrow some money from a friend to rent a place to stay. Everything was upside down. Everything had dropped to my bottom. There are other people in the world I know who have many more difficult situations but I reached my bottom.

What’s interesting with all of that is that a lot of people talk about how to attain your best life, how to get this, and how to get rich. I have had the same situation happen later on. You achieve a certain amount of success, and then you lose it all. It’s a whole other thing and you’re also dealing with a decision that you made. You made the decision to leave South Africa when you were successful and you felt you had a great life there. I know there’s a lot of political stuff going on too, but then you moved to the US.

It’s your decision and everything falls apart, including your marriage. When you say you hit rock bottom, I get it because you’ve lost what was at one point your stability financially. Also, you have to live with the fact that it was your decision to move. I can relate to that. I understand how hard that is. What happened? Here you are and now you’re illegal in a foreign country. You can’t go back probably because of the political environment in South Africa at the time.

I didn’t want to go back. I wanted to be in America. I was homeless, penniless, husbandless, worthless, jobless, and visaless. What am I going to do? I got involved with a life coaching group who became my mentor. Her name was Debbie Ford. What was amazing about it was that it was a manicurist of mine that gave me this book called The Dark Side of the Light Chasers. Debbie’s been dead for years but she was amazing. I read this book on a road trip that I took with a friend to San Francisco. I read it cover to cover in two hours. At the end of the book, there was this amazing workshop. It was all about shadow work. Shadow work is looking at embracing those dark parts. We are made up of lots of light and dark parts. When your buttons are pushed, that’s when you know that this is about you that is not held and integrated right. It’s not about the other person. I was taken by it and I signed up for the workshop. At the end of the workshop, there was a visualization around, “What is your purpose in life?”

Honestly, I was excited about the visualization, but I was thinking, “I have no idea what my purpose or meaning is.” If you kiss the feet of a difficult situation, there’s gold in it but you don’t know where that gift is and what that gift is. When we did this visualization, I was going up an escalator, the ones that go to the airports here, which are flat, but mine were steep and going up. At the top, there was this huge boulder, and looking down, if I couldn’t cross the boulder, I would have fallen off to my death. I was looking at this massive boulder and I was pounding with fear. This merlin jumps up behind the boulder and looks me in the face and says, “Natalie, you can transcend this boulder. You can transform this. You can move through because you’re here to shift and change energy on this planet by one or by many. Be the magician that you are.”

We came out of this visualization and I had no clue what it was about. It was probably a week or so later before I had moved out of the apartment with my husband. We were getting divorced at that point. I have to say that I went on a huge journey of checking out self-sabotage and self-debauchery. I was running away with drugs and alcohol. I do this visualization and I come out of this thing. I have to also say one other point because it was a low point. During that time of debauchery, I got a DUI. In South Africa, that was never an issue because you always had a sense of, “I can bribe this officer,” or, “I can give him a six-pack of beer and he’s going to leave me off.” There’s no such thing in America. I spend a night in a woman’s facility, which is a whole other story in and of itself but it was an enlightening experience.

I came to the presence of God and God was like, “You can either keep going down this path or you can come here and do what you were meant to do.” I don’t know if it was 1 or 2 weeks later, this friend of mine called me and he said, “Natalie, we’ve got this amazing show in South Africa called Drumstruck Everybody. It’s like an interactive stump. Here’s a video. Check it out and see what happens.” I watched the video and my hair went up on my skin. I was like, “This is amazing.” I’ve never drummed. I have no idea how to drum, but I’ve got rhythm. I was a dancer in South Africa. I’m all jazzed, excited and inspired, even though I’m in the worst place that I could be in my life. I was invited to a party at a friend of mine and I met this woman who was the SVP at Motorola. She said to me, “You emigrated. This is hard. What are you going to do here?”

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I started talking about this drumming program that I’m doing. I had no idea what I was going to do. I don’t even know what it was about. I had no clue what it was about. I was motivated, excited, and inspired by it. I started talking about it and she looked me in the eye and she said, “I have a meeting for 100 of my regional managers at the Stratosphere in Vegas. I’m not going to hire a keynote speaker. I want you.” I was like, “This is amazing.” I said, “Great.” I got home and called this friend of mine. I said, “You’ve got to give me training and I’ve got to learn how to drum. Just tell me the ins and outs.” She gave me a deposit for the program. I took a flight to South Africa for two weeks and learned how to play this drum. I’ve never played an instrument and I wasn’t playing it well either but I’m a facilitator. I’ve done training. I got that side of the program.

In the meantime, she booked another program with me and I had a friend who was a PR person here who go and manage that event. I got to tell you how I met the drummers that came to that program. A friend of mine took me to an opening of an African art gallery in San Diego. As I walked through the door, there were djembe players from Guinea, West Africa. The drum is called a djembe drum. Right at the door, I was like, “Wow. You’re talking to me. I need to have a meeting with you off to this.” I met with them. I hired them and went to South Africa and came back. While I was in South Africa, I went to a farmer’s market and found a guy. I bought 100 drums from Ghana and Guinea and shipped them to America. I had to have my friend clear them because I didn’t even have a visa at that point. That’s how this business started.

It’s interesting talking to you about this. I’ve interviewed 56 or 57 people who have at one point hit rock bottom. It’s funny because a lot of them say similar things on their way out. One of them was you read a book, came across a book, and then you went inward. You became still for a little bit. When you’re at rock bottom, there’s so much chaos that happens. What do you think it was that allowed the universe or God, or whatever you want to call it to open up for you to see the steps that you needed to take? You’ve never even taken a drumming class. You’ve never even probably played an instrument. You’ve made jewelry. What are some tools or ideas that we can help people that are in their rock bottom to see those doors opening and to step through? It’s on a spiritual level.

The program that I was doing and I was following a path in a work. Debbie Ford’s work is all about looking at your shadows and integrating them. There’s a process of how you can integrate those pieces, those parts of you, which are both dark and light because a lot of people context their light either and can focus only on their dark. We have to embrace it all in order to become whole and step out into the world with a lot of power. Within that work, there was a lot of time for meditation, inward searching, and doing these different processes over and over again. They were shattered beliefs that I had about myself and my life. Every time there was a feeling of, “I can’t. I’m not good enough. How am I going to do this?” the confronting of this part and having a conversation.

Self-defeating inner dialogue, which we all go through, especially when we’re at rock bottom.

There was all of that. I was running my whole life. I was a warrior my whole life. It was a time for me to sit back and be a gardener for a little moment. As they say, “You can’t make a plant grow by tugging at it. You have to nurture it.” That, for me, was a big lesson. Also, having the belief because people told me, “Are you going to do corporate drumming for Motorola? Don’t be ridiculous. Go and find yourself a corporate job because you’re an MBA and you’re an industrial psychologist.” I was like, “No. My inner soul and my body told me. I trusted my feelings that my hair stood up. This is going to be the thing. This is the right thing to do. I’m not listening to noes. I’m going to do what I’m committed to doing because I trusted my gut.” I had to trust my intuition because there was nothing happening on a head level at all in the scenario.

It’s interesting because I hit my rock bottom too when I was out of work for 4.5 years. Somebody told me to go maybe look into selling cars or insurance. There’s nothing wrong with those jobs but you know me and you believe in me in any way. It’s not who I am. What do you mean? It’s hard to surround yourself with people you get to see who believe in you. I don’t mean to say that, but it’s true. It’s who sees you for who you are and who says, “You go do that drumming circle because I know you can. Anything that you put your heart into and put your mind towards, you can do it.”

I have to tell you, you’re at a high vibration then. You’re resonating at a higher vibration. When you’re spinning there, the people are hopping onto the disk at the high vibration. At that time, Motorola was the first client and the only client ever said to me, “You need to charge me more for this because there’s value in this.” That was what helped me kick off this whole experience, this whole business, which I’ve been in for many years.

Isn’t it amazing that sometimes it’s the people that don’t even know you have more faith and more belief in you than the people you’ve known for years? First of all, it’s amazing when you’re on your right path, the doors open. It’s not that easy and it doesn’t happen overnight. What was the length of time from when you feel like, “I’m jobless. I’m in my rock bottom,” before reading the book to Motorola’s situation?

The Motorola event was February 2002 or something. There was another event that was done in November. Probably in June, I did the workshop and it was about two weeks later that the situation got presented. I was sent a video and this party I went to was maybe a few weeks after that. I flew to South Africa and got some of this training and did all of that. At the same time, a friend of mine said to me, “Send me your resume.” I’d met her at dinner in a networking event and she was a new friend from Australia. It got me into an interview process with the Four Seasons to become a training manager there. There was momentum happening.

From when I went to South Africa and came back and met these drummers at this thing, I felt little pebbles were being thrown and a path in front of me was being shown. I want to say everybody has a different word for this, whether it’s spirit or angels or God for the want of a better word, or the greater universe. What I did was trust it. When you trust it, there’s a curiosity that you have. I had to look fear straight in the face and say to myself, “I’m petrified of this. This is a new country. I don’t know the culture. I don’t know how the business operates here but I’m going to bring my heart, soul, and passion and the rest is going to come,” and it came.

We’re dealing with the Coronavirus and we’re all in our homes. We’re sequestered through our homes and a total change of life. We have no idea what our future holds in many ways, especially with our careers or jobs. What would you say to people that feel like they’re in their rock bottom? What are some good pieces of advice that you can give to people that feel like they’ve lost everything and they’re sitting in it?

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I’m at exactly that same place having lost my business completely because it’s an engaging business, and having lost all forms of income. I’m sitting at rock bottom. What I’ve done is I started off with doing a lot of meditations. There’s an app called Insight Timer and there’s a specific woman, Sarah Blondin, on that app, which I resonate with. I’ve joined different spiritual meditation groups and I’m doing trauma work.

Prior to this, I want people to know that you had a flourishing business that you would go into many corporations.

I had a thriving business. I was sent by a company all over the world. I’ve been sent by Google to Kenya, by Gap to Japan, and Microsoft sent me to Prague. I’ve been to many different places and I had a wonderful business. I trained up lots of facilitators and drummers, and everything in two days stopped.

What was your schedule before those two days? You were sharing with me what your schedule was like. You had ten different things.

I had events all over the country that we were planning to fly to. There’s a lot that goes into delivering a program, understanding the company, and getting a sense of what they do. I have intakes with them, and then there’s all the logistical side, drummers on stage, travel, and all this stuff.

Here’s the big deal. You have had a flourishing company for three years.

In two days, ten events were canceled. After that, it hit me. The first thing you’ve got to do is let it shrink this down to bare bones because if I don’t, I’m not going to make it. I have a certain amount of runway and that’s it. It was tough because I had to let go of people that had been with me for years and shrink everything down to a bare bone minimum. I thought to myself, “I need to take this time. This is going to be a Messiah somehow.” I’ve been in a situation before in 2000 and I needed to just get quiet and not do the instinct thing of jump out there and pivot my business straight away.

I sat with it with meditation, journaling, reading inspirational books, and watching amazing videos that have people who have so much less and give you so much gratitude in life. Sitting in gratitude for what I have and having a roof over my head was enough to say, “I’m in gratitude here.” I’ve spent probably 28 days doing a CrossFit program and a yoga program, which I would never have thought of doing. Indoors, on top of it. I’m a cyclist. I did the AIDS ride and I rode 550 miles.

I did it a few years ago. I did 500 miles.

It was hard.

It challenges you emotionally, spiritually, and physically if you’re not a professional cyclist.

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All of that is gone. You can’t go outside. You’ve got to wear a mask. I’m in it, however, that could be helpful to other people to get quiet. In a way, for me, I can’t say it’s for everybody, it shifts away from being a warrior to thinking about being a gardener and knowing that this has got to be my soul’s desire or expression to the next level of expansion. I have no idea what’s coming down the path and no one does. I trust but verify. I’ve also applied for all these different programs, been diligent about doing that, and deferring everything that I can defer, and then sitting with it because I know a lot of people went into, “Let me do what I do now remotely.”

It was a struggle for me because I’m a person who does things. The engagement part of this, when you’re on stage with everybody drumming, the energy is palpable. It’s circular because you give off your energy and it comes back to you. It’s because everybody’s in a room, they are sitting together, and you can feel it. It’s palpable. To do it remotely is hard for me but I’ve started to think about, “How am I going to pivot things?” I also do leadership development, which is inside organizations. A lot of times, we have experienced the drumming rhythmic program and want to do a deeper dive. It’s been an interactive, engaging process. I do a lot of activities and learning through doing. I have to figure out ways of doing this. I’m doing something with a woman by the name of Lisa Nichols. I don’t know if you know Lisa Nichols.

I don’t know her but I know her offers.

We’re doing a live stream. She’s got 1,200 people from 42 countries around the world and we’re doing a live stream drum interactive. I’m doing it with a colleague, a co-facilitator of mine. Things are starting and ideas are starting to happen because I took the time out.

It’s interesting because I hit my rock bottom when I walked off the TV show that I was on. I talk about it once in a while, but I didn’t do what you did. I learned that through the hard way because the first thing you do is panic. “I’ve got to do this. I’ve got to do that.” I had money at the time. I’ve made a lot of wrong business decisions because of that. “Let’s go and try this and that. I’m out of work. I’m a single mom. What am I going to do?” It was not the right decision to make.

I love the fact that your message is if I would have taken that time and set, even if it takes a year, take that time and go and explore yourself, life, and what comes to you. I would have had a different experience during the years that I was out of work. I love knowing this important message. I love knowing that, “Don’t panic just yet. Take that time to go within and let the universe, God, and life come to you.”

Your instinct is to panic because your instinct is, “What am I going to do? I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve had no money coming in. I have no job, life, and partner. I’ve got a roof over my head. That’s it.” If you can pass through that, have that curiosity, be open in that face of struggle, and look it in the eye, do it on a daily basis. I did something one time and I would love to share it because it was helpful to me. I was taken through a process where I had to imagine the worst scenario around finance that I could possibly imagine. I imagined myself homeless on the street, living in a box. That reality is far from anything I’ve ever experienced in my life. Thank God, I’m lucky enough. It was an intense experience. To be in the feelings of shame, insecurity, and fear, you’re fighting for your life and sanity, and then to exponentially make it grander. I emphasize it to the nth degree and feel it ten times more than you’re feeling that negative feeling.

Did you do it through meditation?

It was through visualization. I was in a process with a group of people on a Zoom call and told to shut my eyes and go to the worst place that I could be. Visualizing it and feeling the feelings of it and then intensifying those ten times. When it was at its absolute core, at the end of that jumping off the edge of the abyss to pivot and think of yourself in the most abundant space you could be. I’ve pictured myself in a private jet. I was traveling the world and I was going to help people all over the world. I completely pivoted and then intensified those feelings. Words like joy, abundance, expansion, and happiness, all those things start to make your insides go on fire with inspiration. We pivoted several times the negative and the positive. Eventually, after the seventh time, that feeling of homelessness, fear, shame, and all of that that I felt was like, “So what?” I almost got to that point. It was reduced. You could probably use that with any feeling of fear, negative experience, and a sense of loss. Be in that loss, deeply in it, and then pivot to absolute abundance. Do it a few times and see how you feel afterward.

Isn’t that a form of Neuro-linguistic programming?

I’m not sure. I am an NLP practitioner a long time ago, but I don’t remember that as a technique.

I love how you eloquently put it all together in a Zoom call that you did.

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Those are the kinds of calls I’m trying to get on so that I can get into that moment and spend some sacred time in that hour.

When you lose your job, you’re out of work and the rug is pulled, the first place we go to is we’re going to be homeless. We all do that. The panic, worry, heaviness and freakout are intense, especially if you have children and they’re young and you’re the provider. I love that you shared that because there is a way to get past that. If I wanted to go or people that are reading wanted to go and try and find some classes, how are you researching that?

A lot of these different things are listed that I’ve been on over the years, friends that have been to a Reiki Master who’s now doing this particular Sunday hour of global meditation with a group of 47 people. This particular technique is from a woman by the name of Amy. I did work with her so I’m finding it through those different means. I would be happy to send you a list. If you send it out on your website or whatever, I would do that.

At the end of this, your business is going to pick up and evolve in a way that you don’t even expect in a wonderful way. You don’t know when and there’s a lot of uncertainty but there is a lot of room for growth. It’s just being where you’re at and getting through that, you’re put on hold in a way.

It’s given me time though to be creative. I started thinking about things and things have started to pop in my mind because time is the muse. Ideas have been popping in my head about what I want to do and things that I could do like fun different programs with smaller groups of people. I’ve got some amazing clients like Google, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and Microsoft. I’ve got amazing clients, big and small, across probably every industry vertical. I know that there’s going to be the timing of how this unfolds. Maybe something will come my way that’s going to be completely unexpected. Who knows? Maybe I’ll become a forensic scientist.

I love that you’re opening up for everything. There are people out there that are struggling now. We hear a lot about, “How do you pivot your career or your expertise to be online?” It’s not even about that. If you’re a hairdresser or if you’re a real estate agent or you own a car lot or whatever it is you do, it’s taking the time to see how you can come out of this with more knowledge, understanding, and heart-centered decisions towards your business, whatever that is. Rename it or maybe you have a new thing that happens within your own business or you will relaunch your business. This isn’t just a time of feeling like, “I can’t put my business online. I don’t want to come up with a course on how to sell cars.”

You want something creative. I’m thinking about remote things. I found a platform that’s interactive. It’s a teaching platform that once you can learn the technology, which is not my strong suit, there’s a way of delivering some material, which has to be tweaked. There are ways of doing it. It could be different versions and iterations of my business and what I’ve been doing for many years or it may be something completely different. I have no idea.

It’s a great time to gather information. It could be a good time putting information out there. Gathering the information is an incredible gift we’ve given.

I remember before this whole thing happened, they said, “Be careful what you ask for.” I was like, “Great universe, give me one week of nothing so that I can get my shipping order.” Be careful what you ask for because I should have been way more specific.

I asked the same thing as well. “I need some time off. I need to get time to be able to recenter,” and look at what happened. I know it’s amazing. There are many gifts and you wonderfully put it in many ways. There are many gifts in this time that we can tap into.

I remember my dad shared a story with me. He was a paratrooper in an Israeli army. He had both his big toes chopped off because he had ingrown toes or whatever and he had two of those toes amputated. He was marching in the Sinai desert with these thick boots. They were marching and he went to the general and he said, “My guys cannot go on.” He was bleeding through his boots and the general looked him in the face and said, “Please look into yourself because you think you’re at the end, but you have another seven miles inside of you.”

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That’s been with me for a long time. I know it sounds rah-rah-ish. We can tap into an inner strength. We don’t know what we are capable of as human beings until we put to the test. It’s a huge test globally for this planet and for people on this planet to shift. Hopefully, we get the message and we don’t pivot back to our old ways once a vaccine has been found because this would have been such a waste of life primarily.

Some people will and some people won’t. Hopefully, there will be more people that do.

We need to stay awake.

Natalie, thank you.

I appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity and for the brilliant questions and the beautiful things that you’re doing.

Maybe one day we’ll finally do something together. That would be fun.

I hope so.

Thanks for your time and your wise words of wisdom. I will tell you this, if I find out that you are doing some kind of drum healing virtually, I’m in. I’m sure I will not be the only one. I don’t think you’ll have a problem getting quite the audience, so I look forward to that.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

You’re welcome. If you guys want to binge-listen Life Masters, go to iTunes because all the episodes are there. You can also go to Apple TV on the EverTalk TV platform. It’s on my YouTube channel. We’re about to relaunch it on iHeartRadio and other platforms as well. We have an exciting future with the show and I’m happy that you’re a part of it. Thank you, Natalie.

Good luck with all of it because what you’re doing is amazing in this world.

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About Natalie Spiro

LM 21 | Rhythmic DrummingWhen Natalie Spiro came to the United States in 2000 from South Africa, armed with a Masters Degree in Industrial Psychology and an MBA in Corporate Strategy and Marketing, her life in San Diego was a far cry from her life in Johannesburg. But her insatiable curiosity and hunger to make an impact wherever she lived and worked led her on a passionate journey to understand corporate culture in America.

After holding key positions in top global firms within the financial services and hospitality industries, including a senior role at the corporate offices of Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts, Natalie returned to her African roots and her true passion for community and collaboration. She became an owner/partner in the world-wide Drum Cafe organization in 2002— and from this point forward, Natalie’s professional destiny came into clear view.

Natalie has personally facilitated interactive drumming programs for more than 300,000 participants. Her clients come from every industry sector—high-tech, health, government, transportation, hospitality, education, finance, media, and telecommunications. She has close ties with some of the most powerful brands in the world, including Google, Virgin Airlines, Microsoft, Intel and eBay. She is a certified integrative life coach and develops workshops that tie her interactive keynote programs into one-to-one and one-to-many learning and transformational opportunities.

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